Now, for anyone that has ever taken Geography 101, an MSA does NOT mean a 'city'. Old time readers may remember a similar mistake being made by a certain famous troll but I digress. Let's take a look at Chicago's 'MSA':
Includes the Metropolitan Divisions of Chicago-Joilet-Naperville, IL, Gary, IN, and Lake County-Kenosha County, IL-WI
In other words:
vs
To get their BS number for 'Chicago, Illinois, they added an additional 6.8 million people that DON'T live in 'Chicago, Illinois'. The REAL homicide rate for the CITY of Chicago, where all the laws they want are in place, is 15.94/100k for the year of 2011. Removing Chicago, the homicide rate for the rest of the MSA was 2.6/100k, almost 1/6 that of the CITY of Chicago.
So who are the 'liars' now? or are they all just idiots?
Update: Reply Fail:
Update II: Doubling down on the stupid.
Update III: Triplingdown
9 comments:
And I bet all those cities have pretty strict criminal protection, er, "gun control" laws, too.
http://www.parentsagainstgunviolence.com/actually-no-we-didnt-get-it-wrong/
Comparing Chicago's Metro area to other cities' metro areas is an apples-to-apples comparison. If you want to use Chicago's stats for just the city without the surrounding suburbs, you need to compare that to other cities' stats without their suburbs. In which case you get exactly the same sort of picture:
Murders per 100,000 people (not metropolitan area, city only)
57.6 New Orleans, Louisiana
48.2 Detroit, Michigan
35.3 St. Louis, Missouri
33.8 Newark, New Jersey
31.7 Ft. Myers, Florida
31.3 Baltimore, Maryland
26.3 Oakland, California
24.3 Pine Bluff, Arkansas
23.4 Kansas City, Kansas/Missouri
23.3 Dayton, Ohio
20.7 Atlanta, Georgia
18.6 Cleveland, Ohio
17.9 Memphis, Tennessee
15.9 Chicago, Illinois
Gun control advocates: "YAY! THERE ARE BLOODIER CITIES THAN CHICAGO!!!"
No, it's not 'apples to apples' when the LAWS IN PLACE are NOT the same and several MSA's cross state borders. Some 'stricter', some more progressive.
Again, Indiana and Wisconsin are NOT 'Chicago' even though Rhambo would like to think so. Thanks for playing.
Thanks gun hater, the cities only stats really shows the need for working class organization and social democracy, as well as the Second Amendment. We really need to break from the Dems and the Reps, organize in the streets and support real Left candidates like Kshama Swant.
The new numbers they put up are still BS.
http://daysofourtrailers.blogspot.com/2013/08/actually-yes-you-did-get-it-wrong.html
The numbers are not B.S. There are several different ways PAGV compares murder rates in Chicago vs. other cities, and people should go to www.parentsagainstgunviolence.com to read what they really say, rather than believe the badly misrepresented story on this blog.
If you look at murders per 100,000 people, comparing Metro area to Metro area, you get:
23.7 New Orleans, Louisiana
20.3 Detroit, Michigan
10.6 Memphis, Tennessee
9.4 Baltimore, Maryland
8.9 Birmingham, Alabama
8.1 Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
7.9 Kansas City, Kansas/Missouri
7.6 St. Louis, Missouri
6.4 Jacksonville, Florida
6.4 Chicago, Illinois
If you look at Murders per 100,000 people and compare just city to city, you get:
57.6 New Orleans, Louisiana
48.2 Detroit, Michigan
35.3 St. Louis, Missouri
33.8 Newark, New Jersey
31.7 Ft. Myers, Florida
31.3 Baltimore, Maryland
26.3 Oakland, California
24.3 Pine Bluff, Arkansas
23.4 Kansas City, Kansas/Missouri
23.3 Dayton, Ohio
20.7 Atlanta, Georgia
18.6 Cleveland, Ohio
17.9 Memphis, Tennessee
15.9 Chicago, Illinois
So, Days of Our Trailers, if there's some other measurement of murder rates among cities, please define your criteria and then list the 10 cities with the most murders per capita. (The only way Chicago is near the top of the list is if you throw out the "per capita" part and compare large cities to smaller cities on the raw *number* of murders, not the murder *rate*--which would be meaningless. If a small town has half as many murders as Chicago but 1/10th the population, that town is *much* more dangerous that Chicago.)
Interesting that you left out your 'gun murders' section which is what my post was referring to since you included the areas (again) that don't fall under Chicago or Chicago's gun laws.
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