Oh the Irony UPDATE II : Reasoned Discourse Strikes Again

The fun continues w/ the self-proclaimed 'progressive'.

This is why I included you in the troll category. You used insults and ad hominem attacks, paranoid fantasies and terrible logic without providing any evidence. Those are the behaviors of a troll.

-Kenneth Quinnell, A troll by his own definition

As per SOP, his entire argument revolves around "I choose to disagree w/ you and always will because you're wrong so I choose to disagree w/ you" That, plus a healthy dose of denial. IOW your usual gun bigot.

"Moderation" has kicked in again. Let's see if my response (w/ lots of evidence and links) get approved.

UPDATE: It did get approved and the dancing and avoiding he takes is epic in proportions. The only thing he proved is that he didn't even read his own post (never mind the multiple links I provided) before responding.

I mean really, he defends the 'MeettheNRA' site as not exclusively for ad hominems when its only purpose it to demean the characters of the NRA board members, something he follows suit in w/ his post.

Now he's allegedly taken his ball and gone home. This is the 'elite' of the gun control movement. No wonder we're doing so well.

UPDATE II: He had to have the last word (mostly more character attacks and ad homs) and now appears to have enabled 'Reasoned Discourse' by locking the comments on that post.

So I'll respond here:

It’s possible that in my comments there were a few things that amounted to straw men. That’s because I had to come to conclusions based on what you said when you didn’t communicate particularly well.

Ah, of course. Always someone else's fault.

You seem to think that you are this calm, rational person who understands how the world works and that you are unbiased and just presenting the facts. You aren’t. Much of what you are saying is nonsensical and your ego allows you to think that you’ve somehow “won” or “exposed” me, despite the fact that you haven’t convinced me of anything and nobody reading what you wrote would agree with it unless they were already on your side.

I'm certainly not trying to convince him, that's for sure. He's shown himself to be a 'true believer'. And I certainly did expose him for the ignorant bigot that he is. Whether anyone else is convinced, well, that's his opinion. I would wager (a phrase he likes) that I've signed up more people for the NRA and convinced more to support firearm rights than he has to oppose. And had he spent more than just a few minutes rapidly clicking through the links I presented, he would have noticed that I never claimed to be fair and unbiased. That little yellow logo on the side might have given him a clue. But probably not.

You’ve flooded the comments here with things that have nothing to do with the post in question. Even the things that I thought were connected to the post you’ve revealed are not. That makes me wonder what your particular problem is. Clearly this is troll behavior. I know you think you are fighting for some “good” or against some perceived “evil.” You aren’t. What you are doing won’t convince anybody that your side is right. It will go over very well with people that already agree with you, but that’s it.

How can he say that when he apparently didn't even read his own post, claiming he didn't mention the EFSGV? For the rest, see above. And the nice little attempt at turn around "what your particular problem is..". My 'problem' is self-appointed authoritarians trying to determine how I should live MY life and using BS from groups like the Joyce Foundation to try and justify it. He needs to 'believe' he's better and I'm inconsequential for him to maintain his feelings of self-worth.

But when people see that Marion Hammer claims to be mainstream and then calls for the elimination of an entire group of people she disagrees with, if they are sane, people will be less likely to take her as a serious actor in the political system.

Talk about fearful paranoia. If he honestly thinks she wants to 'kill all liberals', he's the one that needs to be on some sort of medication.

I could point out the flaws with your arguments and admit to the one error I made, but neither would matter to you and no one else is going to read these comments that isn’t already on my side or on your side, so it’s a pointless endeavor. Nothing petulant about it, just being a good judge of the best way to use my own time and it’s not on extremists like you. The rules of logic and evidence aren’t mine. You’d be much more effective if you learned all of them, not just a few that you can use as buzzwords.

He could try (and fail some more) and his 'error' would likely be blamed on me as well. He's such a 'good judge' he spent another 20 min or so responding to this 'extremist' before he locked down comments. One thing I'll agree w/ him on. The rules of logic and evidence certainly aren't his and he has very little familiarity w/ them.

I reiterate, this is the intellectual elite of the gun control movement at their finest. They can only function in an echo chamber. No dissenting opinion allowed.Which is really funny with his post here:

Loser: Mike Haridopolos — Rather than convincing people that the bills he wants are the right thing to do, he just stacks the deck so he doesn’t have to deal with the opposition. Shameful.

What else can I say to that?

Poor man's slug

I can't remember if I posted this before but it's just too damn cool and simple to miss.

How to turn a birdshot load into a slug in under 10 seconds. I thinks I haves me a new home defense round at a much cheaper price.

If you bother to watch the first part, please take the time to watch part 2. This guy knows what's he's talking about.

Wile E. Coyote...Super Genius

Quote of the Day: Naive Edition

You can’t “smear” someone with the truth. Facts are facts.

----Ken Q. , defending a bought and paid for 'media source'

Wow. And this is a college professor. Apparently he's never read 1984. He only accepts 'GoodFacts'. 'Realfacts' aren't in his worldview.

Fellowship Of The (Cow) Flops

In June, I noted that the Joyce Foundation pumped $425 large to the 'New Venture Fund' to support messaging research on gun violence and gun policy and support the development and launch of a new online organization.

Media Matters (a $400K recipient itself) has now launched a new website.

If you travel to our favorite Brady board member's site, you'll see something new at the bottom:

This post is written as part of the Media Matters Gun Facts fellowship. The purpose of the fellowship is to further Media Matters' mission to comprehensively monitor, analyze, and correct conservative misinformation in the U.S. media. Some of the worst misinformation occurs around the issue of guns, gun violence, and extremism; the fellowship program is designed to fight this misinformation with facts.

So they've formed a 'fellowship' to copy/paste each others' smear attacks, PSH and fabrications. Likely receiving Joyce Foundation money in return.

I left a comment over at one site, another so-called 'progressive', on the dishonest claims and some extra little history about 'Media Matters'. No surprise, it was 'moderated' and hasn't seen the light of day. It was finally posted but w/o anything resembling refutation.

They don't want 'facts'. They want echo chambers and the appearance that they have more support than they actually do.

More at No Lawyers

Copy/Paste Advocacy

How can anti-rights advocates get the word out? By Copy/pasting news articles supporting gun control and sending them in as 'Letters to the Editor'.

No, I'm not kidding. An individual signed Jerry W. Doyle took a WaPo article,itself little more than a rehashing of a Brady Campaign press release, and sent it in, w. only a few changes, to various papers.

There's your 'grassroots' in a nutshell.

H/t to reader Bergerjd

And 'Another' Joyce Foundation Website

They're starting to coordinate their activities a bit better and rebuilding their flood of advocacy websites that all link to each other since the majority of their previous ones disappeared w/ the end of the 'Freedom States Alliance'.

"Media Matters", funded by the Joyce Foundation to publish gun control propaganda, has started up a section of their site called 'Gun Fact'. So far the only 'facts' are various hit pieces on firearms and pro-rights advocates. Since they've effectively lost the litigative and legislative battles relying on half-truths and facts, they've now decided to try and sway public opinion by smear tactics.

I'm sure it will work out for them.

Literally Asking For a Lawsuit

A town in NM decides to violate the state constitution and pass a law banning firearms in public places under the advice of the town's attorney. More tax dollars to be wasted defending illegal restrictions.

Jan Schakowsky Tells Her True Feelings

Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) says you don't DESERVE to keep your money.

Screw you B!tch.

Don't Let Interns Run Your FB Page

How far they have fallen.

H/T to ddbaxte

UPDATE: or your twitter feed.



It's been mentioned on other blogs that their tweeting is just anything that even remotely resembles supporting their cause no matter how looney they are.

Chicken or the Egg? Either Way, They're all Turkeys

Chicago requires everyone to have range training before getting a handgun permit but didn't allow ranges. Now that they've been slapped down in court, they're still playing games. They're modifiying the rules to make it a hair easier to build a range but are requiring the range to ensure patrons have a FOID and Chicago Permit BEFORE use.

How can you get the range training to get a permit if you need a permit to use the range? Supposedly the ordinance makes an exception but that begs the question as to the burden of proof required and what kind of liability the range owners will face if someone scams them.

Also that would bar any non-city residents from using it. They're asking for another lawsuit.

H/T to Illinois Carry.

The Ah-ha moment

Like most everyone else, I thought it a bit crass for the Brady Bunch to use the 10th anniversary of 9-11 to push for closing the "terror gap." I make it no secret that I hold the BC in low regard, but even this was a bit over the top for them.

Then it hit me.

The Brady Bunch was HOPING and PRAYING that an attack would occur and that that attack would involve firearms. I'd bet my bottom dollar that when Dennis posted his disregard for Due Process on 9-10-2011, he had a follow-up post waiting in the wings in case his wet dream came true.

In one respect, the Brady Bunch is harmless and my favorite play thing. In another, they are the sickest entity I've ever encountered and I can't determine exactly what line they wouldn't cross to achieve their ultimate agenda.

In short, the Brady Bunch exemplifies the only true value of the "Terrorist Watch List."

1. Keep an eye on them.
2. Gather evidence and build a case.
3. Expose and prosecute when warranted.
4. Totally ignore otherwise.

They are innocent until proven guilty...and so are we.

Our advantage is that they, through their own words, confess their contempt for the law of the land every time they open their face flaps.

We observe, build a case and confront.

That is why we win.

Brady Campaign Lying About Nat'l CCW Reciprocity

From their latest E-mail alert:

On Tuesday, September 13, a U.S. House Subcommittee will hear testimony on gun lobby legislation, H.R. 822, which would force Illinois to allow dangerous individuals from out-of-state to carry loaded guns in your community. The bill appears to be on the "fast track" and the full House Judiciary Committee could vote as early as next week.

Except that's not true. the text of H.R. 822 specifically states:

‘(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof, related to the carrying or transportation of firearms, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, and who is carrying a government-issued photographic identification document and a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm, may carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State, other than the State of residence of the person, that--

‘(1) has a statute that allows residents of the State to obtain licenses or permits to carry concealed firearms; or

‘(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

So you can't carry in a state that (currently) prohibits it. So was this deliberate or just a robo-emailer adding in whatever state the recipient was from? Either way, they goofed. And they are REALLY crapping themselves over this bill.

H/T to 45Superman.