Stronger Correlations Than Gun Laws

PAGV tried to dodge the fact they don't understand statistics w/ more statistics and claims they didn't make any claims except that 90% of their advocacy is to restrict firearms.  Just for fun, here's their list of 'violent cities' w/ a different variables added in. 

New Orleans: run by Democrats since 1936. MAIG Member
Detroit: run by Democrats since 1962. MAIG Member
St. Louis: run by Democrats since 1949. MAIG Member
Newark: run by Democrats since 1953 MAIG Member
Ft Myers: Unknown
Baltimore: run by Democrats since 1967. MAIG Member
Oakland: run by Democrats since 1977. MAIG Member
Pine Bluff: Unknown
Kansas City: Mixed (MO Side) MAIG Member
Dayton, OH: Run by Democrats since 1993 MAIG Member
Atlanta: Run by Democrats since 1942 MAIG Member
Cleveland: Run by Democrats since 1990 MAIG Member
 Memphis: run by Democrats since 1991. MAIG Member
Chicago: run by Democrats since 1931. MAIG Member

So out of their listed violent cities, at least 11 have been exclusively run by one political party for 20+ years and 12 are members of Mayors Against Illegal Guns.

Hmmm.

PAGV: Doubling Down On The Fabrications

They respond:

Visit the Parents Against Gun Violence page on the web at www.parentsagainstgunviolence.com to read what they *actually* say (since here you only get a deliberate distortion of the post.) PAGV provides every different metric for which data is available to compare violence in Chicago vs other cities: MSA vs MSA; city vs. city; gun violence vs. gun violence -- in *all* cases, Chicago is not the most violent city, by a large margin. PAGV makes no claim that this reflects anything about Chicago's gun laws. The only point they try to make is a rebuttal of the frequent and erroneous claim that Chicago is the murder capital of the US. PAGV also provides eight links to news stories and statistical records to corroborate the claim. If you take Days of Our Trailer's word for it without actually reading the PAGV post, you're cheating yourself out of the opportunity to use your own judgment.

Nevermind the fact I provided a link to their post.

So not only is the PAGO not fully conversant in statistics or firearm laws, they also are unfamiliar w/ things called 'logical fallacies'. 

They make the claim "One argument we've seen ad nauseum is that Chicago has extraordinarily high violence due to its gun control laws." and "the frequent and erroneous claim that Chicago is the murder capital of the US. These are known as 'strawmen'.  Then use faulty statistics to defeat this strawman. They also include numerous cities that ALSO have strict gun laws and have higher crime than Chicago.

See, again, the chart stated 'Chicago, Illinois' yet included 6.8 million people that DON'T live in Chicago nor fall under Chicago's gun laws.  That led to the anti-gun fanatics at the CSGV (who the original post was discussing) to tout it to the skies as 'gun extremist lies' that Chicago DOES have higher homicide rates than the areas outside of the city (5-6x). 

Then for 'Gun homicides' they did the same thing, adding in near 7m people who DON'T live under Chicago's laws. They completely ignore this fact in the post I reference it to and instead repeat their MSA and City numbers. Makes you wonder if they're dense or deliberately dishonest.

The dishonest side stepping was blatant in their original post which stated:

especially since the city and the state have porous borders through which people can easily bring guns from neighboring jurisdictions

So it's not the gun laws but it's the 'loose gun laws' of other places. Their 'planks' consist mostly of the usual tripe of banning 'high capacity magazines', registration, 'safe storage', banning private sales, etc. w/ a few token 'fix mental health' bits thrown in.

So there is a stronger correlations to crime w/ gangs, drugs, poverty and collapsing infrastructures than there are to legal firearm ownership.  And of course we won't see them go after that. Firearms are a much easier target to demonize.

Gun Control: Not Socially Supported

No matter what rigged, bought and paid for polls say, 'gun control' is NOT popular when it's put into action.


Bang! Editor fired after publishing gun-owner map 


Board of Directors Intervenes, Says It ‘Will Not Allow’ Apartment Complex to Implement Controversial Policy Banning Guns

Once it's put into place, people realize the ONLY thing it does is infringe on people's rights and property.

Actually, Yes-- You Did Get It Wrong

So the Parents Against Gun Ownership respond to the fact they tried comparing Metropolitan Statistical Areas to prove 'Chicago's Gun Laws Work' when they added in 6.8 million people NOT living under Chicago's gun laws.  Not exactly 'apples to apples', now is it? All they end up doing is proving however is that cities, irregardless of their gun laws, have lots of violence, most often due to gangs, drugs, poverty and collapsing economies.

 But now since I was specifically talking about Chicago, their numbers STILL don't add up.  They claim Chicago has a 'Gun Crime Homicide' rate of 6.0/100k. Again, they didn't use the CITY of Chicago, they used the MSA. In the CITY of Chicago, it's actually over twice that at about 13/100k. Outside of Chicago in the MSA, it's just about 2/100k. 

So yeah, Chicago's 'model gun laws' don't work.  Violent criminals will still be violent. Maybe Parents Against Gun Ownership and all the other alphabet groups should focus on the REAL problems of violence instead of trying to disarm/punish the tens of millions of people who aren't causing it. But they won't.  Instead they'll spend all their time putting out misleading and inaccurate talking points like this one to try and push for more gun bans. 

.@CSGV Geography Fail

A statement on FB from the anti-gun fanatics from the CSGV:

Pretty strong words.  Here's what they're talking about:

Interesting numbers.  Take a look at the note at the bottom.  'Data Reflects Metropolitan Statistical Areas'. 

Now, for anyone that has ever taken Geography 101, an MSA does NOT mean a 'city'. Old time readers may remember a similar mistake being made by a certain famous troll but I digress.  Let's take a look at Chicago's 'MSA':

Includes the Metropolitan Divisions of Chicago-Joilet-Naperville, IL, Gary, IN, and Lake County-Kenosha County, IL-WI

In other words:





vs
 
To get their BS number for 'Chicago, Illinois, they added an additional 6.8 million people that DON'T live in 'Chicago, Illinois'. The REAL homicide rate for the CITY of Chicago, where all the laws they want are in place, is 15.94/100k for the year of 2011. Removing Chicago, the homicide rate for the rest of the MSA was 2.6/100k, almost 1/6 that of the CITY of Chicago. 

So who are the 'liars' now? or are they all just idiots?

Update: Reply Fail:

Totally out in left field on that one. When you add in disparate regions that don't have the same laws as the place you're defending, attempting to change the subject is all you have.

Update II: Doubling down on the stupid.

Update III: Triplingdown

...And Justice For Some

Compare these two headlines/articles:

DHS Releases Disappointing Civil Liberties Report on Border Searches of Laptops and Other Electronics

DHS Grants Tentative Asylum to Illegals Who Crossed Border in Pro-Amnesty Protest

 Is there any question that our 'government' is actively trying to destroy this Republic? 

Narc On Your Friends For Fun & Profit

If you're not on a list, you're not doing enough. 

I'm a Gun Owner Butt.... Keefer's Restaurant

Looks like I'll never eat at Keefer's Restaurant in Chicago again. The owner apparently forces people to drink alcohol when the go there.

Glenn Keefer, managing partner of Keefer's Restaurant, said he's a supporter of the Second Amendment and its emphasis on the right to bear arms. His family owns guns for protection.
"I just don't think alcohol and guns go together," Keefer said of his decision to ban them in his restaurant.

So he supports the right to keep and bear arms, just not at his place.  Does everyone who eats at his restaurant get sh!tfaced when they go there?  Not the kind of place I'ld want to eat at then.  Nevermind the fact it will be illegal to carry and drink anyway.

Keefer is a big fan of gov't regulations that effect other people.  I wonder what he would say about his ability to 'own guns for protection' if he lived in Chicago where that wasn't permitted. I bet he would scream bloody murder if it actually effected him.

Oh, and of course criminal enabling State Sen. Dan Kotowski supports Keefer.

Yeah? And?

Assuming all the details are accurate, good for the cop.

NEW YORK –  A rookie police officer shot and killed a 14-year-old boy on a street early Sunday after he refused to drop his gun and pointed it in the direction of officers, authorities said....Douse had been in trouble with the law before.

He was charged in May with attempted murder after a 15-year-old boy was shot in a Bronx neighborhood where Douse lived. That shooting took place two miles from where Douse was later shot to death.
Douse was also charged with assault, criminal possession of a weapon and menacing in connection to the incident.

So this little turd was running around just asking to be offed by someone.  Now he's going to be listed as a 'child victim of gun violence' and his name remembered by the MAIG ghoul tour. 

Josh Horwitz Hates Logic

For years gun control advocates screamed "MORE GUNS = MORE CRIME!!!!".  When the truth comes out (again), so does the backpedaling:

“Guns sold incident to a background check are less likely to be involved in crimes than guns sold without a background check,” said Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. “So the real question — which I don’t think we really know — is what’s the level of gun sales without a background check?

Which still doesn't matter because crimes STILL dropped even if there were MORE sales w/o background checks. 

“In other words, if people who buy those guns and have a background check, and keep those guns and don’t sell them, then you would not expect that those guns would affect the crime rate,”

But they still want to ban the overwhelming majority of firearms in the US even those owned by those that have gone through all the requisite hoops. 

“It won’t reduce crime,” Horwitz said. “The point is that it decreases the lethality of crime.”

But for years they claimed it would reduce crime. Now that the facts don't support them, they move the goalpost w/ completely unsubstantiated emotional rhetoric.  Right out of the playbook.  The fact is, the facts have never supported them, they've just continued to lie.

Flash In The Pan Mob

When the best you can turn out for a 'flash mob' against 'gun violence' is less than 10 people in one of the gun control mecca's of the US , you really need to go home and rethink your life.



Not that I would expect much in the way of 'thought' from this particular group. Hold one of these 'mobs' in the Englewood neighborhood of Chicago or one of the LA barrios instead of a nice safe tourist attraction, then we'll talk about how dedicated you are about stopping 'violence'.