http://www.city-data.com/forum/atlanta/193876-ga-gun-control.html
I stumbled across this site. Basically this is a New Jersey pinhead from Hunterdon County, NJ thinking of moving to Georgia, Fulton Next County over from my home.
My thoughts please stay in New Jersey. We really do not want our part of the world contaminated.
Monday, December 31, 2007
To expand on a post...
From The Real Gun Guys:
"CeaseFire PA Goals:
Reduction of illegal handgun trafficking by requiring gun owners to report lost and stolen firearms, and by limiting most handgun buyers to no more than one handgun purchase per month.
Translation: We blame legal gun owners for crime.
Closure of the gun show loophole at the federal level.
Translation: Make them all go through licensed dealers,
Public access to federal crime gun tracing data.
Translation: who we can then sue out of existence,
Effective product safety standards for firearms.
Translation: and then legislate away all remaining guns as "unsafe" with non-existant technology.
The eradication of needless gun violence."
Translation: Thus making the world safer for criminals.
"CeaseFire PA Goals:
Translation: We blame legal gun owners for crime.
Translation: Make them all go through licensed dealers,
Translation: who we can then sue out of existence,
Translation: and then legislate away all remaining guns as "unsafe" with non-existant technology.
Translation: Thus making the world safer for criminals.
Thank you Third for the wonderful Introduction
Hello and Happy 2008 Kids.
Thirdpower has graciously offered me the use his forum, and invited me to be a guest writer here. I would like to thank him for this wonderful opportunity. I will do my best to keep the open lively discussion going. I may have “Melodies Little helpers” from time to time, but I am sure we will all have lots of fun.
Now a little about me.
Many of you know me as “Melody” I hail from Georgia, but split my time between home and New York/ New Jersey area. “Yuck” Business is Business, Money is Money and “Melody” does like her job, as well early retirement is a wonderful goal…..I find little enthusiasm for the Northeast, and look forward to my escapes back to the free world. I have little if any tolerance for Anti-Gun Anti-Freedom people, and find it difficult to understand why someone would want to toss a freedom in the trash can. I am a conservative, a proud member of the NRA, SAF, GOA, as well as the SAS (Second Amendment Sisters). I look forward to the coming month, and hope you all show patience as I have never handled a “blog” before.
On that note I will wish you all a Merry Christmas “albeit late”, and a Bright, Safe and Wonderful New Year.
All the Best
~Melody~
Thirdpower has graciously offered me the use his forum, and invited me to be a guest writer here. I would like to thank him for this wonderful opportunity. I will do my best to keep the open lively discussion going. I may have “Melodies Little helpers” from time to time, but I am sure we will all have lots of fun.
Now a little about me.
Many of you know me as “Melody” I hail from Georgia, but split my time between home and New York/ New Jersey area. “Yuck” Business is Business, Money is Money and “Melody” does like her job, as well early retirement is a wonderful goal…..I find little enthusiasm for the Northeast, and look forward to my escapes back to the free world. I have little if any tolerance for Anti-Gun Anti-Freedom people, and find it difficult to understand why someone would want to toss a freedom in the trash can. I am a conservative, a proud member of the NRA, SAF, GOA, as well as the SAS (Second Amendment Sisters). I look forward to the coming month, and hope you all show patience as I have never handled a “blog” before.
On that note I will wish you all a Merry Christmas “albeit late”, and a Bright, Safe and Wonderful New Year.
All the Best
~Melody~
Compare and Contrast..
One says "B…R…I…N…G…I…T" and when we do, he scurries away like the sociologically similar vermin he states we resemble.
Now another says "Bring it on". Care to lay odds on a different result?
Now another says "Bring it on". Care to lay odds on a different result?
Guest Bloggers..
After this week, I'm going to be gone on business for awhile. Internet access will be spotty at best and possibly not available. I'm not sure yet. Not wanting to leave it completely idle, I've invited Melody over as a guest blogger to keep the home fires warm while I'm gone. One or two others may be in the works.
I first encountered Melody on the old Brady Blog and she posts now on the Huffpo and Miller blogs. She's a regular trap shooter and doesn't pull any punches as to what she thinks.
I first encountered Melody on the old Brady Blog and she posts now on the Huffpo and Miller blogs. She's a regular trap shooter and doesn't pull any punches as to what she thinks.
Hypocritical Quotes of the Day..
Violence is here to stay, I fear, and some of us will choose to use it to protect the people we love from those who will choose to use it to hurt those people. I’m not into the idea of imaginary supernatural beings who will do the moral sorting. I think we have to do it, or it doesn’t get done. And yes, I do indeed take some pleasure in anticipating the doing of moral good by working to prepare myself for that task.
-Prof Alexander Tristan Riley, Ceasefire PA board member
And now contrast that to this quote from his now defunct blog:
What a blueprint for a culture, that of the NRA. Paranoid people who imagine murderers and evil government agents are at every street corner, waiting to strike at innocents, and therefore arm themselves to the teeth, which legitimately terrifies their neighbors and helps produce exactly the kind of distorted world that the gun extremists believe already exists--i.e., a world in which everyone is deathly afraid of everybody else.
So prepare yourself to defend against the violence that is out there and revel in your "Marshall Dillon" complex but don't use a gun to prepare against violence because that's paranoid and increases violence by creating a "Marshall Dillon" complex.
-Prof Alexander Tristan Riley, Ceasefire PA board member
And now contrast that to this quote from his now defunct blog:
What a blueprint for a culture, that of the NRA. Paranoid people who imagine murderers and evil government agents are at every street corner, waiting to strike at innocents, and therefore arm themselves to the teeth, which legitimately terrifies their neighbors and helps produce exactly the kind of distorted world that the gun extremists believe already exists--i.e., a world in which everyone is deathly afraid of everybody else.
So prepare yourself to defend against the violence that is out there and revel in your "Marshall Dillon" complex but don't use a gun to prepare against violence because that's paranoid and increases violence by creating a "Marshall Dillon" complex.
Sunday, December 30, 2007
The position of Ceasefire Pennsylvania board members..
From board member Alexander Tristan Riley, the "energetic and strategic leadership" that they've recently admitted:
And FYI, repeal of the 2nd Amendment is EXACTLY my position. The 2nd Amendment is a relic of history, which in any event has never meant what the NRA thinks it does (at least according to the Supreme Court–but what do they know, when we’re talking about the opinion of Moses and Wayne LaPierre, eh?). No smokescreens from me. Firearms produce very, very little that can be objectively considered social good, and MUCH that is obviously socially destructive.
And:
Bw, a lot of us are working politically to try to take your gun away from you, or at least to make it very, very hard for you to justify your need to have it: http://ilovemydaughtermorethanyouloveyourgun.blogspot.com/.
So is this the official position of Ceasefire PA?
And FYI, repeal of the 2nd Amendment is EXACTLY my position. The 2nd Amendment is a relic of history, which in any event has never meant what the NRA thinks it does (at least according to the Supreme Court–but what do they know, when we’re talking about the opinion of Moses and Wayne LaPierre, eh?). No smokescreens from me. Firearms produce very, very little that can be objectively considered social good, and MUCH that is obviously socially destructive.
And:
Bw, a lot of us are working politically to try to take your gun away from you, or at least to make it very, very hard for you to justify your need to have it: http://ilovemydaughtermorethanyouloveyourgun.blogspot.com/.
So is this the official position of Ceasefire PA?
And who could this possibly be?
David has a troll threatening libel action against us. Homosexual insinuations, ad hominems, claims that we're losing, and lack of the concept of irony:
If you did know anything at all about how the technology works then you'd appreciate that, if I knew what your IP address was, I could make this post of mine appear as though it was made from your computer.
Oh guys! Whatever happened to your powers of detection? Take a look at my IP address. I'm not posting from Lewisburg PA, am I?
You know, the usual.
Obviously DeadEyeTroll is concerned about an independent investigation.
If you did know anything at all about how the technology works then you'd appreciate that, if I knew what your IP address was, I could make this post of mine appear as though it was made from your computer.
Oh guys! Whatever happened to your powers of detection? Take a look at my IP address. I'm not posting from Lewisburg PA, am I?
You know, the usual.
Obviously DeadEyeTroll is concerned about an independent investigation.
Friday, December 28, 2007
What is it with Miami Police spokespeople?
Do they have some sort of mental dysfunction about telling the truth?
Is he a contemporary of Jenne?
In Miami, authorities say the proliferation of assault weapons led to an increase in killings, from 56 in 2005 to 79 in 2006 and 86 so far in 2007.
"You just pull a trigger and 20 or 30 rounds come in a second and in those 20 rounds you're sure to hit your intended target and some innocent bystanders, totally unlike a firearm that is just one bullet every time you pull the trigger," Miami Police spokesman Willie Moreno said.
Is he a contemporary of Jenne?
Hiding their tracks a little more...
It was noted over on Huffpo that the Brady Campaign website is no longer prominently displaying "StoptheNRA.com" on their header bar. The site is still active though.
I guess the hypocrisy of sending out a mailing from advocacy@stopthenra.com regarding the support of an NRA sponsored bill even struck them as ridiculous.
I guess the hypocrisy of sending out a mailing from advocacy@stopthenra.com regarding the support of an NRA sponsored bill even struck them as ridiculous.
Things that make you go "Huh".
Alleged gay advance cited in rape
| Male suspect accused of sodomizing man with broomstick
A Cicero man angry about an alleged homosexual advance raped the man he claimed propositioned him, and then sodomized him with a broomstick, officials said.
Translation: "I hate gays so I'm gonna' do you up the rear to show you how much I hate gays".
Yeah, that makes sense.
| Male suspect accused of sodomizing man with broomstick
A Cicero man angry about an alleged homosexual advance raped the man he claimed propositioned him, and then sodomized him with a broomstick, officials said.
Translation: "I hate gays so I'm gonna' do you up the rear to show you how much I hate gays".
Yeah, that makes sense.
Strong (but admittedly circumstantial) evidence..
As has been noted here and other blogs, most recently WOG and SharpasaMarble, several blogs containing racist and other highly offensive and discriminatory remarks have disappeared from sight. This is the information I have available on the original Troll/NRAFOREVER:
And this is what I received later w/ the same IP as Alex Riley when he posted on this site and others:
I'll let others post their own information.
| VISITOR ANALYSIS | |
| Referring Link | No referring link |
| Host Name | 64.178.120.6.dynamic.dejazzd.com |
| IP Address | 64.178.120.6 [Label IP Address] |
| Country | United States |
| Region | - |
| City | - |
| ISP | D&e Communications |
| Returning Visits | 18 |
| Visit Length | Multiple visits spread over more than one day |
| VISITOR SYSTEM SPECS | |
| Browser | MSIE 6.0 |
| Operating System | Windows XP |
| Resolution | Unknown |
| Javascript | Enabled |
Navigation Path
| Date | Time | WebPage |
| 7th December 2007 | 19:41:42 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 19:59:49 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:28:43 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:37:10 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:39:51 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:42:22 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:42:39 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:48:39 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:49:39 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 21:56:48 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 22:14:19 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 22:19:18 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 22:34:32 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 7th December 2007 | 23:43:50 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 13:28:52 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 13:35:57 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 13:41:25 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 14:10:37 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 14:28:41 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 14:35:12 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 20:59:32 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:13:48 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:14:03 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:14:23 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:14:32 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:15:43 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:16:37 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:21:58 | No referring link |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:22:09 | www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=culturologist profile&btnG=Search Days of our Trailers: 2007-09-09 |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:27:19 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:27:20 | No referring link |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:36:59 | No referring link |
| 8th December 2007 | 21:58:59 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 22:08:28 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 22:09:23 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 22:09:58 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 8th December 2007 | 23:29:16 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 9th December 2007 | 12:10:02 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 9th December 2007 | 16:04:32 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 9th December 2007 | 17:23:21 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 9th December 2007 | 20:41:35 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
| 9th December 2007 | 20:42:42 | No referring link Days of our Trailers |
And this is what I received later w/ the same IP as Alex Riley when he posted on this site and others:
| VISITOR ANALYSIS | |
| Referring Link | No referring link |
| Host Name | 64.178.120.39.dynamic.dejazzd.com |
| IP Address | 64.178.120.39 [Label IP Address] |
| Country | United States |
| Region | - |
| City | - |
| ISP | D&e Communications |
| Returning Visits | 47 |
| Visit Length | Multiple visits spread over more than one day |
| VISITOR SYSTEM SPECS | |
| Browser | MSIE 6.0 |
| Operating System | Windows XP |
| Resolution | Unknown |
| Javascript | Enabled |
Navigation Path
I'll let others post their own information.
Gun Control and Racism II
A comment by Uncle on less ammunition being turned in than guns in Argentina reminded me of an article in the New York Times from 1885 that I had come across. It quotes Gen. Crook on the general policy of disarming Native Americans:
"It is not practicable to disarm Indians. Their arms can never be taken from them unless they are taken prisoners with their arms in their hands, while engaged in fighting, by sudden surprise or disableing wounds *** The disarming of Indians has, in almost every instance recorded, been a farcical failure. Let me cite the case of the Cheyennes who surrendered in 1878. They were searched with the greatest care when they were confined, and it was believed with the fullest success; yet when they broke out of prison at Ft. Robinson, Neb, they appeared well armed with guns and knives and ammunition."
The article continues:
The Cheyennes already have learned from their agent and in other ways that the Government would like to disarm them, and if the troops undertake to deprive them of their rifles and ammunitions a collection of almost worthless weapons may be turned in, but their best arms will be hidden for the use of the warriors who will not hesitate long about turning them against the whites.
This was in response to a Gov't program of keeping the entire population on a reservation providing less than 4 acres of tillable land per person (one person nominally needed 10-20 depending on farming techniques) and using the military to force them back onto it if they tried to leave to get food resulting in the deaths of uncountable numbers of Native Americans.
From an article dated 1880:
It is true that the sale of arms to "uncivilized or hostile" Indians is prohibited; but that is another matter. The military forces often disarm Indians on a reservation as a military measure; but the power to take away implies the power to restore. Finally we discover in the dispute about hunting privileges that Mr. Stephans's rule is, that "if Indians wish to go more than fifteen or twenty miles from the agency they are required to obtain a pass." It seems, then, that Indians, having given up vast tracts of country to the whites, and having taken small reservations instead, are not allowed the free use even of these reservations.
Sound familiar?
Take as many guns away from them as we can, starve them to death, and restrict their movement thereby reducing their ability to fight back when we take even more land and rights from them. If they do fight back, kill them all. They're not white so who cares, right?
These are the types of historically racist and genocidal policies that are followed by gun banners to this day.
"It is not practicable to disarm Indians. Their arms can never be taken from them unless they are taken prisoners with their arms in their hands, while engaged in fighting, by sudden surprise or disableing wounds *** The disarming of Indians has, in almost every instance recorded, been a farcical failure. Let me cite the case of the Cheyennes who surrendered in 1878. They were searched with the greatest care when they were confined, and it was believed with the fullest success; yet when they broke out of prison at Ft. Robinson, Neb, they appeared well armed with guns and knives and ammunition."
The article continues:
The Cheyennes already have learned from their agent and in other ways that the Government would like to disarm them, and if the troops undertake to deprive them of their rifles and ammunitions a collection of almost worthless weapons may be turned in, but their best arms will be hidden for the use of the warriors who will not hesitate long about turning them against the whites.
This was in response to a Gov't program of keeping the entire population on a reservation providing less than 4 acres of tillable land per person (one person nominally needed 10-20 depending on farming techniques) and using the military to force them back onto it if they tried to leave to get food resulting in the deaths of uncountable numbers of Native Americans.
From an article dated 1880:
It is true that the sale of arms to "uncivilized or hostile" Indians is prohibited; but that is another matter. The military forces often disarm Indians on a reservation as a military measure; but the power to take away implies the power to restore. Finally we discover in the dispute about hunting privileges that Mr. Stephans's rule is, that "if Indians wish to go more than fifteen or twenty miles from the agency they are required to obtain a pass." It seems, then, that Indians, having given up vast tracts of country to the whites, and having taken small reservations instead, are not allowed the free use even of these reservations.
Sound familiar?
Take as many guns away from them as we can, starve them to death, and restrict their movement thereby reducing their ability to fight back when we take even more land and rights from them. If they do fight back, kill them all. They're not white so who cares, right?
These are the types of historically racist and genocidal policies that are followed by gun banners to this day.
Thursday, December 27, 2007
Racism and Gun Control.
To complement ArmedandSafe's post on the subject:
Alex T. Riley of Ceasefire PA has made the claim the the modern firearm rights movement started as a reaction to the race riots of the late Sixties and that those that support said rights do so in fear of blacks and hispanics. To counter this, I present the words of journalist Robert Sherrill, no friend of gun owners, from his book "Saturday Night Specials":
The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed not to control guns but to control blacks, and inasmuch as a majority of Congress did not want to do the former but were ashamed to show that their goal was the latter, the result was they did neither. Indeed, this law, the first gun-control law passed by Congress in thirty years, was one of the grand jokes of our time. First of all, bear in mind that it was not passed in one piece but was a combination of two laws. The original 1968 Act was passed to control handguns after the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., had been assassinated with a rifle Then it was repealed and re-passed to include the control of rifles and shotguns after the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy with a handgun....
Hmm. It would seem that the modern movement started as a reaction to a knee-jerk reaction. Did people purchase more firearms during the riots? I wouldn't doubt it. That is a well established trend following discord. That, however, does not a political movement make. Why would a movement to keep firearms need to be started unless legislatures were trying to take them away?
But I digress.
In 1988, the Chicago Housing Authority and CPD started the program known as "Operation Clean Sweep". This involved warrantless searches of homes,
mandatory sign in/out rosters, and visitor exclusion rules that included
family members and children. This resulted in the case Rose Summeries, et al. v. Chicago Housing Authority, et al. The CPD and CHA chose to limit their activities instead of going through the courts. Firearms, however, are still banned from CHA buildings.
Virginia courts have upheld a similar ban in the Richmond Housing Authority (Richmond Tenants Org. v. Richmond Dev. & Hous. Auth.) while Federal legislation (HR 3838) was proposed, along with the states Washington and Oregon, in 1994. Maine attempted to ban firearms in public housing in 1995 but this was struck down.
So not only are "gun control's" very origins rooted in racism and efforts to control what are deemed by them to be undesirable elements of the population, their efforts in the latter half of the 20th Century continue this oh-so-fine tradition. This is re-enforced by Obama touting his wife's words:
And by the way, Michelle, my wife, she was traveling up, I think, in eastern Iowa, she was driving through this nice, beautiful area, going through all this farmland and hills and rivers and she said 'Boy, it's really pretty up here,' but she said, 'But you know, I can see why if I was living out here, I'd want a gun. Because, you know, 911 is going to take some time before somebody responds. You know what I mean? You know, it's like five miles between every house.'
And then adding:
"So the point is, though, we should be able to do that, and we should be able to enforce laws that keep guns off the streets in inner cities because some unscrupulous gun dealer is, you know, letting somebody load up a van with a bunch of cheap handguns or sawed-off shotguns and dumping them and selling them for a profit in the streets."
In other words, it's alright for the rural folk but you can't trust those 'people' on the streets.
Now what demographics would fall under those brushes again?
Alex T. Riley of Ceasefire PA has made the claim the the modern firearm rights movement started as a reaction to the race riots of the late Sixties and that those that support said rights do so in fear of blacks and hispanics. To counter this, I present the words of journalist Robert Sherrill, no friend of gun owners, from his book "Saturday Night Specials":
The Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed not to control guns but to control blacks, and inasmuch as a majority of Congress did not want to do the former but were ashamed to show that their goal was the latter, the result was they did neither. Indeed, this law, the first gun-control law passed by Congress in thirty years, was one of the grand jokes of our time. First of all, bear in mind that it was not passed in one piece but was a combination of two laws. The original 1968 Act was passed to control handguns after the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., had been assassinated with a rifle Then it was repealed and re-passed to include the control of rifles and shotguns after the assassination of Robert F. Kennedy with a handgun....
Hmm. It would seem that the modern movement started as a reaction to a knee-jerk reaction. Did people purchase more firearms during the riots? I wouldn't doubt it. That is a well established trend following discord. That, however, does not a political movement make. Why would a movement to keep firearms need to be started unless legislatures were trying to take them away?
But I digress.
In 1988, the Chicago Housing Authority and CPD started the program known as "Operation Clean Sweep". This involved warrantless searches of homes,
mandatory sign in/out rosters, and visitor exclusion rules that included
family members and children. This resulted in the case Rose Summeries, et al. v. Chicago Housing Authority, et al. The CPD and CHA chose to limit their activities instead of going through the courts. Firearms, however, are still banned from CHA buildings.
Virginia courts have upheld a similar ban in the Richmond Housing Authority (Richmond Tenants Org. v. Richmond Dev. & Hous. Auth.) while Federal legislation (HR 3838) was proposed, along with the states Washington and Oregon, in 1994. Maine attempted to ban firearms in public housing in 1995 but this was struck down.
So not only are "gun control's" very origins rooted in racism and efforts to control what are deemed by them to be undesirable elements of the population, their efforts in the latter half of the 20th Century continue this oh-so-fine tradition. This is re-enforced by Obama touting his wife's words:
And by the way, Michelle, my wife, she was traveling up, I think, in eastern Iowa, she was driving through this nice, beautiful area, going through all this farmland and hills and rivers and she said 'Boy, it's really pretty up here,' but she said, 'But you know, I can see why if I was living out here, I'd want a gun. Because, you know, 911 is going to take some time before somebody responds. You know what I mean? You know, it's like five miles between every house.'
And then adding:
"So the point is, though, we should be able to do that, and we should be able to enforce laws that keep guns off the streets in inner cities because some unscrupulous gun dealer is, you know, letting somebody load up a van with a bunch of cheap handguns or sawed-off shotguns and dumping them and selling them for a profit in the streets."
In other words, it's alright for the rural folk but you can't trust those 'people' on the streets.
Now what demographics would fall under those brushes again?
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
They are their own worst enemy...
Over on Paul's HuffPo blog, they are now showing hits from linked sites. As of 4:30pm CST, SaysUncle has the top two, followed by GoogleNews, SmallestMinority, and GoogleNews again:
What does that say about the support PuSH'ers have?
Update: YAY! I bumped Google.
Sites Linking to This Page...
| Source | Views |
| www.saysuncle.com | 63 |
| saysuncle.com | 32 |
| news.google.com | 18 |
| www.smallestminority.blogspot.com | 10 |
| news.google.com(2) | 10 |
What does that say about the support PuSH'ers have?
Update: YAY! I bumped Google.
Yet they want the Gov't to keep more lists..
and can't even keep theirs straight:
Both campaigns lists' had some sloppy record keeping: misspelled names, churches listed in incorrect cities and beside incorrect names. But, like Clinton's list, Obama has some other substantial inconsistencies.
So Obama and Hillary are adding names to pretend they have more support than they really do. I guess they're taking lessons from the Brady Bunch who have done the same thing and tried the same spin to cover their lies.
Both campaigns lists' had some sloppy record keeping: misspelled names, churches listed in incorrect cities and beside incorrect names. But, like Clinton's list, Obama has some other substantial inconsistencies.
So Obama and Hillary are adding names to pretend they have more support than they really do. I guess they're taking lessons from the Brady Bunch who have done the same thing and tried the same spin to cover their lies.
Real AP ammo or "media" AP ammo?
That is the question.
Rapper Yung Joc was arrested for having a loaded handgun in his carry-on luggage (shock, yes I know). He then is released on bail and decides to skip his court appearance. Prosecutors are stating that he also had AP ammo.
""He is alleged to have taken a loaded firearm with 20 rounds of ammunition into the airport. It is also alleged that some of the ammunition in his possession was armor piercing."
Apparently he had a CCW license from somewhere or at least claimed to have one so this is looking like a case of stupidity that he is domino-ing by not showing at his hearing. If he had actual AP ammo, he's screwed.
Rapper Yung Joc was arrested for having a loaded handgun in his carry-on luggage (shock, yes I know). He then is released on bail and decides to skip his court appearance. Prosecutors are stating that he also had AP ammo.
""He is alleged to have taken a loaded firearm with 20 rounds of ammunition into the airport. It is also alleged that some of the ammunition in his possession was armor piercing."
Apparently he had a CCW license from somewhere or at least claimed to have one so this is looking like a case of stupidity that he is domino-ing by not showing at his hearing. If he had actual AP ammo, he's screwed.
Tuesday, December 25, 2007
Merry Christmas to us.
In a conversation last night w/ my ultra-liberal (but still my favorite) cousin:
Me: Westroads forced people who had completely legal CCW licenses to disarm themselves if they wanted to shop there. Why shouldn't they be held liable when something happened?
Cuz: Huh. I never thought of it that way.
And two certain blogs have gone down the memory hole to join their bastard siblings in oblivion.
And a Happy New Year to come.
Me: Westroads forced people who had completely legal CCW licenses to disarm themselves if they wanted to shop there. Why shouldn't they be held liable when something happened?
Cuz: Huh. I never thought of it that way.
And two certain blogs have gone down the memory hole to join their bastard siblings in oblivion.
And a Happy New Year to come.
Saturday, December 22, 2007
Obviously they don't teach the concept of Irony at Bucknell
Any idiot who wants to spread ignorance and lies sets up his blog, or logs in to the Dung Heap, and spreads away.
-Prof. Alex T. Riley on his blog.
CeaseFire NJ Reasoned Discourse
Bryan Miller is trying to either ignore or distance himself from Alexander Tristan Riley and lies about it in the process. I posted a link to Riley's latest blog, which he is eminently proud of, and noted that he was a board member of Ceasefire PA, CeaseFire NJ's sister organization. As those of you who have read it know, in between the insults, there are comments on gun laws directly related to Bryan's post about allowing firearms on campus.
Bryan deleted that post as well as the first one. Here's his response:
Catch that? He claims that CeaseFire PA is not affiliated with CeaseFire NJ "in any way". I guess that's why Bryan co-founded, used to be the director of and still works directly with them to pass legislation. He states in a previous article : And, energetic and strategic leadership has emerged at CFNJ's sister organization, CeaseFire PA,
I guess that's not "affiliated with" in Bryan's world.
I didn't have to "attack" him Bryan. All I had to do was link to the various statements he's made and which he is proud of. This is the kind of person you have as "energetic and strategic leadership" and we're going to make sure everyone knows it, no matter how much you try and distance yourself from it.
So Alex, how does it make you feel that your associates are denying you already? Why don't you link to the blogs making what you claim are slanderous statements about you? Are you afraid of people reading what you wrote and later defended? Are you afraid that people won't see your claims of racism or supposed death threats because they aren't there?
Cowards.
Bryan deleted that post as well as the first one. Here's his response:
thirdpower:
Well, I'm going to take down your latest, too. Why? Because you must be confusing me with someone else. I am the ED of Ceasefire NJ, as in New Jersey. And, the person you viciously attacked is not on the Ceasefire NJ Board or affiliated with it in any way. As I wrote above, your comment "has not a thing to do with anything I wrote. It also gratuitously attacks someone not associated with this blog." So, take your nastiness elsewhere, it is out of place situated under my blog.
But, as I've also written before, I do not intend to edit or delete comments that are in response to what I've written, even if they are as foul as that posted above by kels94. I love it when such as kels94 demonstrate for readers their relative class, or lack thereof.
Yep, keep those cards and letters coming!Catch that? He claims that CeaseFire PA is not affiliated with CeaseFire NJ "in any way". I guess that's why Bryan co-founded, used to be the director of and still works directly with them to pass legislation. He states in a previous article : And, energetic and strategic leadership has emerged at CFNJ's sister organization, CeaseFire PA,
I guess that's not "affiliated with" in Bryan's world.
I didn't have to "attack" him Bryan. All I had to do was link to the various statements he's made and which he is proud of. This is the kind of person you have as "energetic and strategic leadership" and we're going to make sure everyone knows it, no matter how much you try and distance yourself from it.
So Alex, how does it make you feel that your associates are denying you already? Why don't you link to the blogs making what you claim are slanderous statements about you? Are you afraid of people reading what you wrote and later defended? Are you afraid that people won't see your claims of racism or supposed death threats because they aren't there?
Cowards.
Friday, December 21, 2007
Rep Dingell on H.R. 2640
Lastly, I would like to thank the National Rifle Association (NRA). The NRA’s support for this legislation has been invaluable and is a testament to the NRA’s commitment to passing sensible and responsible legislation to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.”
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/mi15_dingell/PR071219nics.shtml
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/mi15_dingell/PR071219nics.shtml
VPC Reasoned Discourse?
While I can't state that Josh did it directly, all the comments on the Sugarmann HuffPo blog have disappeared except for the two most recent postings.
I find that telling.
I find that telling.
Thursday, December 20, 2007
CeaseFire PA CYOA
A quote by Alexander Tristan Riley:
I ain't hiding ANYWHERE. I'm out in the world defending my ideas in a community of other people who have actually done their homework and working politically to protect children from you lot.
Yet, when all is said and done, ATR the Culturologist, deleted his blogs filled with hatred, bile, and attacks against gays, Catholics, Muslims, parents, gun owners, sociologists, and anyone he felt wasn't up to his moral standards, just before he became a board member of CF PA.
Why would he do this? Could it possibly be to keep people from reading his ideas about violently assaulting people on the sex offender registry because he considers them a direct threat to his family? Or that he feels parents who let their children play w/ toy guns should be imprisoned? Or howabout his opinions of gays:
"There is a LARGE literature in the medical health field demonstrating the specific health hazards homosexual men run by their behaviors. If you don't know it, you would do well to start reading some of it. I would happily send you pdfs of articles documenting higher anal cancer rates in homosexual men and higher rates of other anorectal disease as well as general anorectal dysfunction. And what about the well-known Cophenhagen study that showed clear and significant differences regarding rates at which the homo- and heterosexual populations they looked at showed evidence of various health problems? To quote it: ”The total burden of infections expressed as the actual number of infections was largest among homosexuals, 40.4%, 22.4%, and 5.3% having one, two, and three infections respectively.”As I said, I have a good deal of stuff in pdf form, should you actually be interested in looking at it. It's a grave mistake to imagine that simply waving your credential and your opinion is enough to settle the question of what the medical literature does or does not show. I've certainly never claimed that the sociological argument is settled simply by me noting that I'm a sociologist and I happen to think X. The material still has to be INVESTIGATED."
or his feelings on "Womens Studies":
WHen I finished, a young woman in the audience (a Womens' Studies major, I learned later) raised her hand to ask a question/respond. Within about 30 seconds of her response, and without having said the slightest coherent thing, she was in tears, crying that people like me were ruining everything, blah blah blah....
In Womens' Studies 81% of all students in all courses receive an A. EVERYONE knows what that is about, whether they will admit it or not--ideological correctness is the grade requirement there, not any actual argumentative or rational prowess. Line up on the 'right' side, learn to hate the 'wrong' side, and fall into hysterical tears as a 'response' to it whenever you come into contact with it, and you get your A."
Or howabout on gays again:
"As for medical evidence, there's a good deal of that showing that homosexual men suffer risks for STDs and other health hazards well above and beyond those that non-heterosexual men face. This topic has been discussed here before. People who engage in anal intercourse open themselves to all sorts of additional health hazards--this has something to do with the actual primary function of the anus, which doesn't involve shoving objects up it over and over again.Those mundane facts of the human body don't go away just because some people decide they want to express their romantic attractions to others by doing such things."
"There's also a good deal of evidence challenging the image you are trying to construct of the 'monogamous homosexual man.' All the data suggest that the average homosexual man has at least several times as many sexual partners as the average heterosexual man. Even people like Jonathan Rauch realize they can't deny this fact--although they work themselves into a sweat trying to shrink the margin as much as they can. It seems pretty clear that this subculture has a strongly entrenched element of promiscuity and there's little reason to believe that allowing them to 'marry' will change that."
Or Feminists:
A walking talking stereotype of the loud shrill feminist know nothing.
I'm sorry, I'm not speaking your language. GRUNT! GRUNT! UGH! UGH!
Or when he deliberately misstates opinions to demonize others:
The real problem is that the Guav’s of the world consider it a dead heat when you stack up a little girl’s LIFE with somebody’s stereo or TV (what the burglar is looking for).
Like his most recent distortion of the facts against a speech by Mike Adams that he (Alex) didn't even attend.
Just one of the blatant misrepresentations:
(e.g., he advocates, one can only hope jokingly, the replacement of Martin Luther King Jr. Day with a day celebrating America’s real “greatest civil rights leader,” John Browning, who Adams apparently believes deserves that title for inventing a kind of firearm that allowed hunters to “kill…more deer in North America than any other model before or since."
When in reality what was said was along the lines of:
He tried to suggest that my reasoning for Browning Day was based solely on the fact that he invented a firearm responsible for killing more deer in America than any other. He failed to mention that my reasoning was also based on the fact that Browning’s inventions helped us preserve freedom (read: civil rights) for all by winning two world wars. This is approximately two more world wars than MLK helped us win – although I do acknowledge that he was our second greatest civil rights leader.
There's more from him in comments, have a read about his opinions of Christians.:
"And this pathetic soul dares to claim he was denied because of his belief in an imaginary SuperMan with a beard?"
Maybe it's comments and actions along those lines that Alex Tristan Riley is trying to now hide from the world since he's become a public figure for the gun banners.
Isn't it ironic that the person who refused to allow anonymous comments on his blogs because he considered anyone who refused to let their name out for their politics to be cowards, deleted his blogs to hide his real feelings on politics?
We all see who the true coward is.
Update: In one of those bizarre timing coincidences, Alex, who now claims to hate blogs even though he used to have three of them, has become so unhinged at Adam's countering his outright fabrications that he started a new one just today for the sole purpose to attack Mr. Adams and all the posters at Townhall.com:
Mike S. Adams Is Vermin
This is the voice of Ceasefire PA and Bucknell University.
Update 2: I posted this link over on Bryan Millers blog as CF NJ and PA are partners. He deleted it.
Here's his reasoned discourse:
thirdpower:
I've never before edited or deleted any of the noxious comments you and your pals have posted, as I want 'normal' readers to read them. You guys make me look so wise.
But, I'm taking down your comment posted at 1:56am today, as it has not a thing to do with anything I wrote. It also gratuitously attacks someone not associated with this blog.
Interesting that you should accuse me above of ad hominem attacks and then embark on same yourself. You'd call that 'rational discourse,' no doubt. Normal folks would call that dishonest. But, such is life, eh?
I don't plan on editing or deleting any further comments, but let's keep it to what I write. OK, fellas?
Keep those cards and letters coming...
The links have also been deleted on both Sugarmann's and Helmke's blogs.
Read Alex's reply in the comments.
I ain't hiding ANYWHERE. I'm out in the world defending my ideas in a community of other people who have actually done their homework and working politically to protect children from you lot.
Yet, when all is said and done, ATR the Culturologist, deleted his blogs filled with hatred, bile, and attacks against gays, Catholics, Muslims, parents, gun owners, sociologists, and anyone he felt wasn't up to his moral standards, just before he became a board member of CF PA.
Why would he do this? Could it possibly be to keep people from reading his ideas about violently assaulting people on the sex offender registry because he considers them a direct threat to his family? Or that he feels parents who let their children play w/ toy guns should be imprisoned? Or howabout his opinions of gays:
"There is a LARGE literature in the medical health field demonstrating the specific health hazards homosexual men run by their behaviors. If you don't know it, you would do well to start reading some of it. I would happily send you pdfs of articles documenting higher anal cancer rates in homosexual men and higher rates of other anorectal disease as well as general anorectal dysfunction. And what about the well-known Cophenhagen study that showed clear and significant differences regarding rates at which the homo- and heterosexual populations they looked at showed evidence of various health problems? To quote it: ”The total burden of infections expressed as the actual number of infections was largest among homosexuals, 40.4%, 22.4%, and 5.3% having one, two, and three infections respectively.”As I said, I have a good deal of stuff in pdf form, should you actually be interested in looking at it. It's a grave mistake to imagine that simply waving your credential and your opinion is enough to settle the question of what the medical literature does or does not show. I've certainly never claimed that the sociological argument is settled simply by me noting that I'm a sociologist and I happen to think X. The material still has to be INVESTIGATED."
or his feelings on "Womens Studies":
WHen I finished, a young woman in the audience (a Womens' Studies major, I learned later) raised her hand to ask a question/respond. Within about 30 seconds of her response, and without having said the slightest coherent thing, she was in tears, crying that people like me were ruining everything, blah blah blah....
In Womens' Studies 81% of all students in all courses receive an A. EVERYONE knows what that is about, whether they will admit it or not--ideological correctness is the grade requirement there, not any actual argumentative or rational prowess. Line up on the 'right' side, learn to hate the 'wrong' side, and fall into hysterical tears as a 'response' to it whenever you come into contact with it, and you get your A."
Or howabout on gays again:
"As for medical evidence, there's a good deal of that showing that homosexual men suffer risks for STDs and other health hazards well above and beyond those that non-heterosexual men face. This topic has been discussed here before. People who engage in anal intercourse open themselves to all sorts of additional health hazards--this has something to do with the actual primary function of the anus, which doesn't involve shoving objects up it over and over again.Those mundane facts of the human body don't go away just because some people decide they want to express their romantic attractions to others by doing such things."
"There's also a good deal of evidence challenging the image you are trying to construct of the 'monogamous homosexual man.' All the data suggest that the average homosexual man has at least several times as many sexual partners as the average heterosexual man. Even people like Jonathan Rauch realize they can't deny this fact--although they work themselves into a sweat trying to shrink the margin as much as they can. It seems pretty clear that this subculture has a strongly entrenched element of promiscuity and there's little reason to believe that allowing them to 'marry' will change that."
Or Feminists:
A walking talking stereotype of the loud shrill feminist know nothing.
I'm sorry, I'm not speaking your language. GRUNT! GRUNT! UGH! UGH!
Or when he deliberately misstates opinions to demonize others:
The real problem is that the Guav’s of the world consider it a dead heat when you stack up a little girl’s LIFE with somebody’s stereo or TV (what the burglar is looking for).
Like his most recent distortion of the facts against a speech by Mike Adams that he (Alex) didn't even attend.
Just one of the blatant misrepresentations:
(e.g., he advocates, one can only hope jokingly, the replacement of Martin Luther King Jr. Day with a day celebrating America’s real “greatest civil rights leader,” John Browning, who Adams apparently believes deserves that title for inventing a kind of firearm that allowed hunters to “kill…more deer in North America than any other model before or since."
When in reality what was said was along the lines of:
He tried to suggest that my reasoning for Browning Day was based solely on the fact that he invented a firearm responsible for killing more deer in America than any other. He failed to mention that my reasoning was also based on the fact that Browning’s inventions helped us preserve freedom (read: civil rights) for all by winning two world wars. This is approximately two more world wars than MLK helped us win – although I do acknowledge that he was our second greatest civil rights leader.
There's more from him in comments, have a read about his opinions of Christians.:
"And this pathetic soul dares to claim he was denied because of his belief in an imaginary SuperMan with a beard?"
Maybe it's comments and actions along those lines that Alex Tristan Riley is trying to now hide from the world since he's become a public figure for the gun banners.
Isn't it ironic that the person who refused to allow anonymous comments on his blogs because he considered anyone who refused to let their name out for their politics to be cowards, deleted his blogs to hide his real feelings on politics?
We all see who the true coward is.
Update: In one of those bizarre timing coincidences, Alex, who now claims to hate blogs even though he used to have three of them, has become so unhinged at Adam's countering his outright fabrications that he started a new one just today for the sole purpose to attack Mr. Adams and all the posters at Townhall.com:
Mike S. Adams Is Vermin
and he lives at the bottom of the festering dung heap that is townhall.com
Here are the headers:
- Dissecting the Fecal Deposit of the Vermin II
- Dissecting the Fecal Deposit of the Vermin
- Other Vermin Squeak II
- Other Vermin Squeak
- The Facts
- A justification for this blog (and if only all blo...
This is the voice of Ceasefire PA and Bucknell University.
Update 2: I posted this link over on Bryan Millers blog as CF NJ and PA are partners. He deleted it.
Here's his reasoned discourse:
thirdpower:
I've never before edited or deleted any of the noxious comments you and your pals have posted, as I want 'normal' readers to read them. You guys make me look so wise.
But, I'm taking down your comment posted at 1:56am today, as it has not a thing to do with anything I wrote. It also gratuitously attacks someone not associated with this blog.
Interesting that you should accuse me above of ad hominem attacks and then embark on same yourself. You'd call that 'rational discourse,' no doubt. Normal folks would call that dishonest. But, such is life, eh?
I don't plan on editing or deleting any further comments, but let's keep it to what I write. OK, fellas?
Keep those cards and letters coming...
The links have also been deleted on both Sugarmann's and Helmke's blogs.
Read Alex's reply in the comments.
Obviously they're confused..
God this is frickin' priceless, check the return address advocacy@stopthenra.com :
HI SARAH!!!!
Brady Campaign [logo]
Victory! U.S. Congress Strengthens Brady Background Check System
Bill Now Moves to President's Desk: Please Call Today
Dear Thirdpower,
draft VT quotes
Great news! Last night, Congress passed a bill that will strengthen the Brady background check system. It will help ensure that fewer guns end up in the hands of dangerous people like felons and those who have been found to be a threat to themselves or others because of mental illness.
After the Virginia Tech tragedy, with your help, we asked our national leaders, "What are YOU going to do about gun violence?"
The tide is turning. Yesterday, Congress passed the first major piece of legislation to reduce gun violence in over a decade — and congratulations are in order: you, our donors and activists, helped make this victory possible. Thank you!
The "National Instant Check System (NICS) Improvement Amendments Act of 2007" (H.R. 2640) was passed by unanimous consent in the U.S. Senate and House, and now goes to the President's desk for signature.
PLEASE CALL PRESIDENT BUSH TODAY AT 202-456-1111
Urge Him to Sign the NICS Improvement Act Immediately
Give the Virginia Tech families this victory before the New Year
This legislation was passed in response to the Virginia Tech massacre. The killer was able to arm himself because the court order that should have blocked his gun purchase was not reported to the national Brady background check system.
We deeply appreciate the courage and strength of the Virginia Tech victims. On October 16, many of the Virginia Tech families joined Brady President Paul Helmke and me on Capitol Hill calling for passage of this legislation — the efforts of all the families involved were crucial to this victory.
Our special thanks go out to Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Edward Kennedy (D-MA) for their work on this legislation.
Much work lies ahead with the implementation of this legislation and our efforts to make the Brady background check system as strong as it can and should be. I know I can count on you to help us make future victories possible.
Click here for more information on the NICS Improvement Act.
Thank you again and happy holidays.
Sincerely,
Sarah's Signature [image]
Sarah Brady, Chair
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HI SARAH!!!!
Brady Campaign [logo]
Victory! U.S. Congress Strengthens Brady Background Check System
Bill Now Moves to President's Desk: Please Call Today
Dear Thirdpower,
draft VT quotes
Great news! Last night, Congress passed a bill that will strengthen the Brady background check system. It will help ensure that fewer guns end up in the hands of dangerous people like felons and those who have been found to be a threat to themselves or others because of mental illness.
After the Virginia Tech tragedy, with your help, we asked our national leaders, "What are YOU going to do about gun violence?"
The tide is turning. Yesterday, Congress passed the first major piece of legislation to reduce gun violence in over a decade — and congratulations are in order: you, our donors and activists, helped make this victory possible. Thank you!
The "National Instant Check System (NICS) Improvement Amendments Act of 2007" (H.R. 2640) was passed by unanimous consent in the U.S. Senate and House, and now goes to the President's desk for signature.
PLEASE CALL PRESIDENT BUSH TODAY AT 202-456-1111
Urge Him to Sign the NICS Improvement Act Immediately
Give the Virginia Tech families this victory before the New Year
This legislation was passed in response to the Virginia Tech massacre. The killer was able to arm himself because the court order that should have blocked his gun purchase was not reported to the national Brady background check system.
We deeply appreciate the courage and strength of the Virginia Tech victims. On October 16, many of the Virginia Tech families joined Brady President Paul Helmke and me on Capitol Hill calling for passage of this legislation — the efforts of all the families involved were crucial to this victory.
Our special thanks go out to Representative Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) and Senators Charles Schumer (D-NY) and Edward Kennedy (D-MA) for their work on this legislation.
Much work lies ahead with the implementation of this legislation and our efforts to make the Brady background check system as strong as it can and should be. I know I can count on you to help us make future victories possible.
Click here for more information on the NICS Improvement Act.
Thank you again and happy holidays.
Sincerely,
Sarah's Signature [image]
Sarah Brady, Chair
If this e-mail was forwarded to you, click here to sign up for your own Brady Campaign alerts.
Donate to Support the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.
You can also mail a check to:
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Washington, DC 20005
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The day of ignorant Anti posts...
To go along w/ Bryan's, Josh Sugarmann must have paid his electric bill after an absence of 2 1/2 months.
He claims:
Last night Congress passed the "NICS Improvement Act," a bill that in prior incarnations was designed to improve the records available to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)--the national system used to screen gun buyers.
Really Josh? And what incarnations would those be? You've opposed this bill from the beginning.
Hell, even Rep McCarthy told you off:
In listing the three anti-gun violence organizations that have reservations about my bill, Mr. Sugarmann inadvertently addresses why the NRA has such power while the efforts of organizations working to prevent gun violence have been futile for close to a decade.
Wonder how long he spent on Google for his information.
Note: I don't know if it's a HuffPo glitch or intentional, but most of the comments for his preceding posts are gone.
As an aside, "Realitytrumpsbull" sounds like he's living in his own reality.
He claims:
Last night Congress passed the "NICS Improvement Act," a bill that in prior incarnations was designed to improve the records available to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)--the national system used to screen gun buyers.
Really Josh? And what incarnations would those be? You've opposed this bill from the beginning.
Hell, even Rep McCarthy told you off:
In listing the three anti-gun violence organizations that have reservations about my bill, Mr. Sugarmann inadvertently addresses why the NRA has such power while the efforts of organizations working to prevent gun violence have been futile for close to a decade.
Wonder how long he spent on Google for his information.
Note: I don't know if it's a HuffPo glitch or intentional, but most of the comments for his preceding posts are gone.
As an aside, "Realitytrumpsbull" sounds like he's living in his own reality.
Bryan Miller makes stuff up..
In his most recent ad hominem and insult laden rant.
the easy access disturbed teens have to assault guns
You can buy Armored Vehicles easily?
For pro-gunners it's about arming everyone to the teeth.
Really? Source for this besides your own imagination?
to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible (the purpose of assault weapons,
Is that their purpose? I guess I'm using mine incorrectly then, or it's broken.
This, of course, ignores the likelihood that a general gun battle will then ensue, as none of those armed citizens will know who is a good guy and who isn't.
Like in Colorado, right? Any evidence for this or did you just make it up?
, sadly, have a little more experience with overwhelming firepower than do the pro-gunners seeking to rationalize their petty personal fears and desires by pretending that they're seeking to defend the rest of us. My only brother, FBI Special Agent Mike Miller, was one of three law enforcement officers killed (a fourth was grievously wounded) by a lone gunman wielding a concealed assault pistol at Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Headquarters in November 1994.
So you have some emotional baggage that you should seek therapy for. What does that have to do w/ the other 80 million individuals that own firearms? Oh, right. Nothing.
Seems there is a relationship between the presence of guns and the prevalence of gun violence.
And yet there isn't. There is a relationship between illegal guns held by criminals and gun violence. You don't like to hear about that though.
The secret to societal safety is not more firepower in civilian hands. Quite the opposite.
Proof of this, or just another conjecture?
(BTW: I urge readers to check out some of the 'you can't make this up' nuttiness that will undoubtedly appear in the Comments section below and has followed each of my earlier entries.
Who do you think your readers are Bryan? How many posts do you get supporting you? There's a reason for that.
Craaaazy!)
Yes, you are.
the easy access disturbed teens have to assault guns
You can buy Armored Vehicles easily?
For pro-gunners it's about arming everyone to the teeth.
Really? Source for this besides your own imagination?
to kill as many people as possible as quickly as possible (the purpose of assault weapons,
Is that their purpose? I guess I'm using mine incorrectly then, or it's broken.
This, of course, ignores the likelihood that a general gun battle will then ensue, as none of those armed citizens will know who is a good guy and who isn't.
Like in Colorado, right? Any evidence for this or did you just make it up?
, sadly, have a little more experience with overwhelming firepower than do the pro-gunners seeking to rationalize their petty personal fears and desires by pretending that they're seeking to defend the rest of us. My only brother, FBI Special Agent Mike Miller, was one of three law enforcement officers killed (a fourth was grievously wounded) by a lone gunman wielding a concealed assault pistol at Washington, DC Metropolitan Police Headquarters in November 1994.
So you have some emotional baggage that you should seek therapy for. What does that have to do w/ the other 80 million individuals that own firearms? Oh, right. Nothing.
Seems there is a relationship between the presence of guns and the prevalence of gun violence.
And yet there isn't. There is a relationship between illegal guns held by criminals and gun violence. You don't like to hear about that though.
The secret to societal safety is not more firepower in civilian hands. Quite the opposite.
Proof of this, or just another conjecture?
(BTW: I urge readers to check out some of the 'you can't make this up' nuttiness that will undoubtedly appear in the Comments section below and has followed each of my earlier entries.
Who do you think your readers are Bryan? How many posts do you get supporting you? There's a reason for that.
Craaaazy!)
Yes, you are.
Not everyone in Hollywood is retarded...
"I don't want to get on a soapbox, but by and large our popular media isn't that interested in telling the whole story, because they can't wrap it up succinctly. There's not always a good guy and a bad guy. If you try to actually explain the particulars of a complicated issue, you're going to get laughed at and told, "Why don't you just give $20 to NPR? Maybe they'll do a story about that on 'All Things Considered'"
-Tom Hanks in an interview w/ Readers Digest
I agree. They would rather rely on soundbites and press releases in order to garner sensationalist headlines instead of actually trying to report the facts.
-Tom Hanks in an interview w/ Readers Digest
I agree. They would rather rely on soundbites and press releases in order to garner sensationalist headlines instead of actually trying to report the facts.
Another Cultural Thing
PGP points to a cultural reason why crime increases and it has nothing to do w/ guns. The scum that produced the original "Stop Snitchin'" video, threatening violence and retaliation against those who try and stop crime in their neighborhood, have produced a sequel.
So, will we hear rails against this from Laura Washington, Jessi Jackson, or Al Sharpton? Or will they just continue to blame Rural White Males for all the crime? I'm betting the former.
Ms. Washington,
I have contacted you in the past over your attacks on firearm owners and your assertions over whose fault it is for the high crime levels in urban areas. I was wondering, then, what your reaction and response would be to the fact that the group that had previously released the "Stop Snitchin'" DVD, threatening violence and retribution to those who assist the police in solving crimes, has released a sequel which continues to glamorize and encourage violence? Are these the same "People of the Gun" from your earlier articles?
http://wbal.com/news/story.asp?articleid=67088
Regards,
Thirdpower
Peoples Soviet of Illinois
Her previous articles provide an interesting juxtaposition to another statement she made:
Thanks to Bill Cosby, more of us are saying the excuses just don’t cut it anymore.
You know that old saying about what the truth can do? Come on, people—set yourselves free.
Will she continue to provide her own excuses for urban crime levels or will she read her own article and set herself free with the truth?
So, will we hear rails against this from Laura Washington, Jessi Jackson, or Al Sharpton? Or will they just continue to blame Rural White Males for all the crime? I'm betting the former.
Ms. Washington,
I have contacted you in the past over your attacks on firearm owners and your assertions over whose fault it is for the high crime levels in urban areas. I was wondering, then, what your reaction and response would be to the fact that the group that had previously released the "Stop Snitchin'" DVD, threatening violence and retribution to those who assist the police in solving crimes, has released a sequel which continues to glamorize and encourage violence? Are these the same "People of the Gun" from your earlier articles?
http://wbal.com/news/story.asp?articleid=67088
Regards,
Thirdpower
Peoples Soviet of Illinois
Her previous articles provide an interesting juxtaposition to another statement she made:
Thanks to Bill Cosby, more of us are saying the excuses just don’t cut it anymore.
You know that old saying about what the truth can do? Come on, people—set yourselves free.
Will she continue to provide her own excuses for urban crime levels or will she read her own article and set herself free with the truth?
Wednesday, December 19, 2007
Brady Campaign now part of the "Gun Lobby".
according to the VPC.
Josh Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, adds, "It is ironic that the gun lobby has coerced the Senate into providing resources to rearm mentally disabled veterans during a time when the VA is struggling to provide adequate mental health care to those in need."
While at the same time, Paul Helmke is challenging politicians to support it:
I challenge the candidates to support the NICS Improvement Act of 2007. The Virginia Tech shooter was able to buy his guns because Virginia didn't put his information in the system used to check gun buyers. We should do all we can to encourage states to supply records of the dangerously mentally ill and other "prohibited purchasers" (felons, domestic abusers, etc.) to the Brady background check system. Now is the time to pass this bill and send it to the President for his signature.
Will wonders never cease.
Josh Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, adds, "It is ironic that the gun lobby has coerced the Senate into providing resources to rearm mentally disabled veterans during a time when the VA is struggling to provide adequate mental health care to those in need."
While at the same time, Paul Helmke is challenging politicians to support it:
I challenge the candidates to support the NICS Improvement Act of 2007. The Virginia Tech shooter was able to buy his guns because Virginia didn't put his information in the system used to check gun buyers. We should do all we can to encourage states to supply records of the dangerously mentally ill and other "prohibited purchasers" (felons, domestic abusers, etc.) to the Brady background check system. Now is the time to pass this bill and send it to the President for his signature.
Will wonders never cease.
Tuesday, December 18, 2007
Quote of the Day..
Anti Gunner- "What shortcoming are you Gun Nuts trying to compensate for?"
Pro Gunner- "I am compensating for the fact that I can't throw a rock at 1000 feet per second."
-Mike101 on HuffPo
Pro Gunner- "I am compensating for the fact that I can't throw a rock at 1000 feet per second."
-Mike101 on HuffPo
NRA endorsement more valuable than Oprah
According to Zogby. So what chance to the Brady's or VPC have of getting any attention?
God, that must sting.
Hattip to ArmsandtheLaw.
God, that must sting.
Hattip to ArmsandtheLaw.
The Second Amendment is racist..
Has been a recent meme by the PuSH'ers that I've seen more and more recently. ArmedandSafe (who also put together a nice post on it) reminded me where it came from. Another claim by the VPC referencing almost exclusively the appropriately named Prof. Bogus.
The primary thing that discredits the work? It relies heavily on claims and citations by everyones favorite author Michael Bellesiles.
I don't think anymore needs to be said.
The primary thing that discredits the work? It relies heavily on claims and citations by everyones favorite author Michael Bellesiles.
I don't think anymore needs to be said.
Too precious...
From the VPC:
Instead of facing repeal, D.C.'s laws should be a model for the nation. How is it possible to think that Americans are free when they must fear being gunned down at their local mall, church, school or workplace because most of the U.S. refuses to implement effective gun laws?
When DC's murder rate is 5 times that of the rest of the nation. Yep, I want to see over 85,000 murders per year. And MD has "much weaker laws". Sure, in comparison to outright bans.
And the usual spin:
Likewise, after 112 people were killed in 11 mass shootings in a decade, Australia collected and destroyed 700,000 firearms determined to be designed to kill many people quickly. Australia has not seen another mass shooting while its firearm homicide and firearm suicide rates have declined.
But total suicide and homicide rates stayed the same. That sure worked.
Along with the usual lies of "AK-47 Assault Rifle".
I've noticed the whole "2nd Amendment is racist" thing pop up more often as of late. I haven't looked to deeply into it but I'm sure it's "Strong Scholarship" along the lines of Bellisiles.
I'm also wondering who's computer they typed this on as the VPC can barely afford their electric bill.
She is right on one thing. The DC gun laws have saved "countless lives". Zero.
Instead of facing repeal, D.C.'s laws should be a model for the nation. How is it possible to think that Americans are free when they must fear being gunned down at their local mall, church, school or workplace because most of the U.S. refuses to implement effective gun laws?
When DC's murder rate is 5 times that of the rest of the nation. Yep, I want to see over 85,000 murders per year. And MD has "much weaker laws". Sure, in comparison to outright bans.
And the usual spin:
Likewise, after 112 people were killed in 11 mass shootings in a decade, Australia collected and destroyed 700,000 firearms determined to be designed to kill many people quickly. Australia has not seen another mass shooting while its firearm homicide and firearm suicide rates have declined.
But total suicide and homicide rates stayed the same. That sure worked.
Along with the usual lies of "AK-47 Assault Rifle".
I've noticed the whole "2nd Amendment is racist" thing pop up more often as of late. I haven't looked to deeply into it but I'm sure it's "Strong Scholarship" along the lines of Bellisiles.
I'm also wondering who's computer they typed this on as the VPC can barely afford their electric bill.
She is right on one thing. The DC gun laws have saved "countless lives". Zero.
Monday, December 17, 2007
Paul issues challenges.
So I issue my own:
I challenge the Brady Campaign to stop misrepresenting what different firearms are capable of.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to address the issues that are holding up the NICS act.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to acknowledge that basing restrictions off of error-ridden lists is irresponsible and unconstitutional.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to stop trying to ban private purchases of firearms by connecting them to FFL dealers that they are at the same time trying to drive out of business.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to find any evidence that limited purchasing laws have in any way effected crime.
I challenge Paul to read the responses on his linked Op-Ed and figure the ratio of his supporters to those who support the rights of the populace.
I guess this is Paul's lame attempt to get the candidates to pay attention to him. Anyone want to lay odds on it working?
It must suck for an organization that once stood next to presidents as they signed bills named after their leaders to become inconsequential.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to stop misrepresenting what different firearms are capable of.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to address the issues that are holding up the NICS act.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to acknowledge that basing restrictions off of error-ridden lists is irresponsible and unconstitutional.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to stop trying to ban private purchases of firearms by connecting them to FFL dealers that they are at the same time trying to drive out of business.
I challenge the Brady Campaign to find any evidence that limited purchasing laws have in any way effected crime.
I challenge Paul to read the responses on his linked Op-Ed and figure the ratio of his supporters to those who support the rights of the populace.
I guess this is Paul's lame attempt to get the candidates to pay attention to him. Anyone want to lay odds on it working?
It must suck for an organization that once stood next to presidents as they signed bills named after their leaders to become inconsequential.
Un-Truth Maker.
Over on the "Truthseeker's" Blog, he makes this claim:
"And then the NRA supports California’s “microstamping” technology that marks spent shell casings."
Really? Care to explain this:
Oh, right, you believe in 911 conspiracies and the Illuminati as well. Never mind.
"And then the NRA supports California’s “microstamping” technology that marks spent shell casings."
Really? Care to explain this:
| URGENT: Vote on California Microstamping Legislation Imminent! |
| Thursday, August 16, 2007 |
| Please Contact Your State Senator Today! Assembly Bill 1471 could be voted on as soon as the Senate returns to session on Monday, August 20. |
Oh, right, you believe in 911 conspiracies and the Illuminati as well. Never mind.
Sunday, December 16, 2007
Romney caught lying again...
Bitter pointed out that he had previously claimed to have passed an AWB when he didn't (only made it permanent) and now he changes his story saying he doesn't support AWB's. The lie? On "Meet the Press, he claimed to have the NRA endorsement for his 2002 run for governor. He didn't.
Romney also told Russert he had "the support of the NRA" and "received the endorsement of the NRA" as governor, but the gun-rights group did not endorse him during his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. Romney received a "Grade B" from the group, but his opponent, Democrat Shannon O'Brien, received an "A."
Update:
His spokesman is now attempting damage control ("I voted for it before I voted against it") over at WaPo:
"The NRA did not endorse in the 2002 campaign," said spokesman Kevin Madden, when asked about Romney's comments. "Mitt Romney as a candidate received a respectable B grade rating from the NRA, and when he was governor he had the support of the NRA and the Gun Owners Action League in relaxing some of the state's burdensome licensing regulations."
What Madden didn't say was that Romney's Democratic opponent in the governor's race, Shannon O'Brien, was given a more than respectable "A" grade by the NRA, according to its website.
Romney also told Russert he had "the support of the NRA" and "received the endorsement of the NRA" as governor, but the gun-rights group did not endorse him during his 2002 gubernatorial campaign. Romney received a "Grade B" from the group, but his opponent, Democrat Shannon O'Brien, received an "A."
Update:
His spokesman is now attempting damage control ("I voted for it before I voted against it") over at WaPo:
"The NRA did not endorse in the 2002 campaign," said spokesman Kevin Madden, when asked about Romney's comments. "Mitt Romney as a candidate received a respectable B grade rating from the NRA, and when he was governor he had the support of the NRA and the Gun Owners Action League in relaxing some of the state's burdensome licensing regulations."
What Madden didn't say was that Romney's Democratic opponent in the governor's race, Shannon O'Brien, was given a more than respectable "A" grade by the NRA, according to its website.
Since Anti's like to lie about things..
to mislead the public and describing details tends to lose an audience, we'll use a straight-forward picture to play a game, "Type that Ammo":
Here are the names:
1. .22LR F
2. 8mm Mauser A
3. 7.62x39 C
4. .223 D
5. .45 E
6. .30 cal B
Now which Anti can tell me which are the most common in "Assault Weapons", which are closest to the ones Cho used at VT, and which are the most common in hunting?
Not that I really expect an answer.
Here are the names:
1. .22LR F
2. 8mm Mauser A
3. 7.62x39 C
4. .223 D
5. .45 E
6. .30 cal B
Now which Anti can tell me which are the most common in "Assault Weapons", which are closest to the ones Cho used at VT, and which are the most common in hunting?
Not that I really expect an answer.
Saturday, December 15, 2007
Just playing around... Redux
Reasoned Discourse and Authorized Journalists.
As was noted earlier by PGP, Marc McDonald and JadeGold have become fast friends over on LeftRudder. As an "award winning journalist", it must be perfectly acceptable for him to recognize as more legitimate an individual who has not only been caught deleting posts but now has been caught changing them:
Before: (Jon Sullivan is what he changed my handle to thinking it's me.)
After:
Your done Jade.
Before: (Jon Sullivan is what he changed my handle to thinking it's me.)
After:
Your done Jade.
Friday, December 14, 2007
Isn't there medication for this?
Paul Helmke uses the tried and true method of the VPC claiming that the weapons used in the latest shootings are the same ones that are being used by terrorists and the military in Iraq. He quotes some typical "authorized journalists" who either don't know the difference (ignorant) or are intentionally misrepresenting it to make headlines (liars).
We know Paul knows the difference so what category does that put him in?
He goes on about how dangerous the 7.62 x 39 round is. I guess he would prefer them chambered in .30 then to increase the chance of death.
Note the calls for restrictions on the number of guns and ammunition you can own.
And why does he follow his tradition of posting this nonsense late Friday? Because the blogs are traditionally slower on the weekends so he hopes his resident sycophant can get a few words in before we demolish the post with assault facts typed from the hip.
A point in Kucinich's favor...
He actually has a bit on his site directly saying what gun control he wants unlike Hillary , Edwards*, or Obama albeit though not on the first page. Of course he also has to throw in the usual bits about "Assault Weapons" and "Gun Industry Immunity" mixed in with the usual "I support hunters and the 2A" BS.
Sorry Dennis. If you're quoting the CSGV and the BC, you don't support RKBA or hunters.
Try again.
* Edwards has some but you have to dig for it.
Sorry Dennis. If you're quoting the CSGV and the BC, you don't support RKBA or hunters.
Try again.
* Edwards has some but you have to dig for it.
Slipping it through the cracks..
is the only way the anti's can get laws passed anymore. Armed and Safe notes that the text of the proposed Cook County Gun Ban includes suspension of the requirement to inform the public of the measure:
Why would the possibly do this? Oh, right, in order to deceive the public and push their unpopular measures without comment or attention. Both things they need in order to get it passed and as many firearms confiscated as they can before the courts slap it down.
In accordance with Cook County Code Section 2-108(z)(1) Amendment or suspension of rules, Commissioner Suffredin, seconded by Commissioner Collins, moved to suspend Section 2-108(h)(1) Prior notice to public; agendas. The motion carried unanimously.What does that mean? Let's see.
In accordance with Cook County Code Section 2-108(z)(1) Amendment or suspension of rules, Commissioner Suffredin, seconded by Commissioner Collins, moved to suspend Section 2-108(g)(1) Order of business. The motion carried unanimously.
First, a motion was passed to suspend the rule that the public be notified of this ordinance proposal....(h) Prior notice to public; agendas .
(1) No less than three full business days before any meeting of the Board or of a committee or subcommittee, notice and an agenda for such meeting shall be provided to the President, all Commissioners and all news media that have requested notice of meetings, shall be posted in the Office of the County Clerk and at the location where the meeting is to be held, and shall be made available to the public in the office of the Secretary. In addition, notices and agendas of all meetings shall be posted on the County's website.
Second, a motion was passed to suspend the rule that the board meeting proceed on a standard plan of events....
(g) Order of business.
(1) At each regular meeting of the Board, the order of business (unless otherwise directed by the Board) is as follows:
a. Approval and correction of minutes of previous meetings.
b. Old business.
c. New business.
d. Consent calendar.
e. Committee reports:
1. The first section of the committee report as set forth in Section 2-105(h) of this division.
2. The second section of the committee report as set forth in Section 2-105(h) of this division.
Why would the possibly do this? Oh, right, in order to deceive the public and push their unpopular measures without comment or attention. Both things they need in order to get it passed and as many firearms confiscated as they can before the courts slap it down.
No Slippery-Slope?
Just ask people in the UK.
This has whats become of what was once one of the greatest nations on earth. Sad. Pathetic really.
Ahab has more.
Banning samurai swords
Soon legislation will be passed requiring all people to be permanently encased in bubble-wrap.This has whats become of what was once one of the greatest nations on earth. Sad. Pathetic really.
Ahab has more.
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