You really think some underpaid Virginia waiter is gonna tell an armed smoker to snuff out his butt?Yes, unless they're some sort of scared panty-waist that thinks that someone following the law will start shooting up the joint if they're asked to, you know, follow the law. The kind of person that is afraid of pictures of guns.
-Mike Licht
That's just one of the mental manipulations the author needed to take to pursue his own little version of reality. This is another:
“Last time I looked the number of “righteous” (i.e., legally-defensible) civilian handgun shootings was stunning in its statistical insignificance.”
No, that would be justifiable “homicides”, not shootings. Does a firearm even need to be discharged to be used in self defense? Obviously not. His reply:
Check the FBI stats (my link went bad). Annual civilian legal gun homicides were ca. 160 out of 49,000 adult gun homicides when I last looked, though I saw a figure of 300 recently. do the math.So he switched his own wording and (most likely unintentionally) proved my point for me. Never mind the fact that he DOUBLED the number of total murders from its high over 15 years ago. Then 'Reasoned Discourse' kicked in since he was asked to actually defend his assertions and he shut down comments.
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Another case of 'I'm tired of fighting your logic and statistics so I'm taking my ball and going home'. I absolutely love how nearly every anti-gun blog ends up closing down there comments section. I have yet to see that happen on the pro gun side. That is certainly telling.
As I mentioned on Weer'd's blog today, I don't know why Mike Licht does that with the comments. But, I cannot accept what some of you guys seem to be saying, that he's representative of us anti-gun folks. I've heard that in order to be anti, one must be either ignorant or dishonest. Why does the gun argument have to be all or nothing, nothing else is. Just because you're passionate about it, doesn't mean every single one who disagrees either hasn't researched enough or is lying. What do you say?
Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on your point of view) he IS representative of the anti-gun movement as a whole. False statistics, emotional rhetoric, refusing to listen to even basic explanations of fact, etc.
If you look at the majority of anti-gun legislation/legislators/activists, all their arguments boil down to either dishonesty (ie the continued use of trace data for statistics even after the FBI, ATF, etc. have said they can't be used for such) or ignorance (barrel shrouds are things that go up-Rep. McCarthy).
If you are an exception to this I applaud you but look objectively at the company you keep.
mikeb302000: Mike Licht is not an anomaly. The fact that he has closed the comments section on his blog is something that we see pretty regularly here. It seems almost all of them either close their comments or heavily moderate them. Sorry, but he is representative of what we see from your side all of the time. We like to call it "reasoned discourse", sarcastically of course.
mike-
When you cut through all the fluff and emotionalism, the gun control argument boils down to one central black and white issue: Does gun control reduce violent crime and if so, can it be supported statistically?
No, it cannot.
Therefore, in order to perpetuate the myth of its effectiveness, people like Licht have to regurgitate some emotionalism and misrepresented statistics, hope that some sheeple will feed on it, then run and hide when confronted with honest debate or real statistical information.
There is no clearer representation of an anti-gunner than that.
Molon Labe beat me to the punch - unless you can statistically demonstrate that gun control reduces overall crime, then there is no logical or rational reason to support it, especially since the right to keep and bear arms is not only recognized in America, but Constitutionally protected.
In Mike Licht's case, it was an instance of a person being unwilling to admit he was wrong. He knew he was outclassed, consciously or not, and sought the only solace he could find - shutting us up.
Unfortunately for him, the internet does not work that way, and instead of us just calling him an idiot on his own weblog, he now has around 10ish individual sites calling him out for being a coward. Talk about exposure...
MikeB,
A small list of some of the sites that I visit that either moderates heavily, doesn't not approve opposing comments, or simply doesn't allow comments.
Wheredidtheguncomefrom - No new postings since Feb 2008. Allowed a few comments but most were never approved.
God Not Guns
Mondays with Mike - The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. - Many people talk of leaving comments but most never show up. Only about 1 in 4 of mine show up and on some posts - none ever show up
The Brady Campaign blog doesn't even have comments sections any more
New England Coalition to Prevent Gun Violence - no comments section
Then you have folks like Jadegold who trolls on other people's blogs but moderates heavily his own comment sections...and has forged/changed comments left by people...and admits doing it.
The was the lady lawyer mentioned here...over and over again the gun banners behave much like MikeL.
When I compliment you on your open policy Mike, it is out of experience.
Anyone else want to add to the list, let Mike look around and see the pattern
I've never seen an anti-gun blog/site that allowed free discussion in comments.
Hell, Delawareliberal banned both my IP addresses entirely.
I don't know about all that. They can't all be that bad.
Could it be that you guys are passionate and personally involved in a way that the antis aren't?
I'll have to make the time to look for some intelligent, well-informed, anti-gun folks, who are not afraid to discuss. If I find any I'll be sure to let you know.
Meantime, all are welcome at my site. Hell, if I could take Thomas (Boomers and Bullshit) I could take anyone.
"I don't know about all that. They can't all be that bad."
Nope, they can't. Sadly you're the ONLY one, Mike.
Unless you know of others...
MikeB#####,
You're the only one I'm aware of. Currently the most 'open' forum is Bryan Miller's blog on NJ.com and even that engages in "reasoned discourse" from time to time.
If you can find others, I applaud you.
BTW looks like people followed Mike Licht (seriously there's a TON of Mike Bloggers!) finger to the post about his interpretation of "Well-Regulated"
He's already pruned the comments down a good amount.
...almost like he has somthing to hide...
He must be trying to compensate for something.
Yeah he deleted my comments on that post weer'd. Don't worry though, I saved em' and will post on my blog when I get the chance.
Mike B. I assure you they ARE all that bad. Do a search for Delaware Liberal on my blog. (and Don Viti) Take a look at what they said, and jump over via the links to their site to read some comments.
you'll see a pattern of vile, nasty, childish BS that comes from the anti-gun liberals.
You tend to avoid & evade as well at times (Joe Huffman's "Just One Question" and your response comes to mind) but in general you're the exception as far as anti-gunners go.
I call them cowards and bigots because in my experience that is exactly what they are.
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